tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post7280849739350587638..comments2023-11-03T03:45:54.322-04:00Comments on Fox Home: Bloody Bloody Andy JacksonFoxessahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-1726874924091253892010-10-12T17:48:20.558-04:002010-10-12T17:48:20.558-04:00Then, of course, Jackson had the benefit of Van Bu...Then, of course, Jackson had the benefit of Van Buren on his side (so definitely also not a little guy), who learned political sleazy operations and how to manage disparate groups to get he wanted with his mother's milk of New York state political shenanigans ....<br /><br />Man, my state has always been a political sewer. I wonder if it was like that during the time it was Dutch?<br /><br />Or did it take the English to plunge into slime?<br /><br />More I think of all the Indian fur trading, the land grants starting with the great fiefdoms handed out to the Dutch upper class, maybe they too ....<br /><br />You know even unto and after W Wilson's day, the Virginians complain of how King James took the New York Indian trade from them, so you know there must have been giganomous fortunes being made there.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-47617385443258981002010-10-12T17:44:01.240-04:002010-10-12T17:44:01.240-04:00Of course, it didn't help the whigs that the f...Of course, it didn't help the whigs that the first incarnation of Hamilton's bank was so badly mis-managed .... Another lesson here for the dems, which they can't seem to learn either.<br /><br />Love, c.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-2019719038051375492010-10-12T17:43:08.601-04:002010-10-12T17:43:08.601-04:00Exactly. So why haven't the dems studied this...Exactly. So why haven't the dems studied this like the rethugz have? The same people with very few exceptional decades, have been in power in this country since the beginning. It's pretty astounding when you look at it up close and with actually naming names.<br /><br />That's what Jackson did, while also identifying himself with Papa Sleaze, Jefferson, outright lying that Jefferson thought Clay was a man too dangerous to allow to be POTUS -- which is exactly what Jefferson said about Jackson! As well, a true born sons of Virginia, Jefferson was a friend of Clay, who even visited him during his dying.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-3927361046217957302010-10-12T10:36:32.088-04:002010-10-12T10:36:32.088-04:00J&J wouldn't have politicked like that if ...J&J wouldn't have politicked like that if it didn't work. You know more about it than I do, but didn't Jackson capitalize on what amounted to pent-up class resentment over the institutionalized political power that the landed elite had granted itself?<br /><br />Another thing you can say for both is that they mistrusted banks and established a financial policy that succeeded without a Fed or huge investment banks for most of the 19th C. (See <i>13 Banks</i>, Johnson and Kwak.)K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-29544991853339622222010-10-12T10:24:12.767-04:002010-10-12T10:24:12.767-04:00Exactly!
But in our national politics that's ...Exactly!<br /><br />But in our national politics that's what won ever since Jackson ... and Jefferson opened the door for it, which is one of the primary reasons the friendship and alliance between Washington and Jefferson broke, leaving Martha to say that the election of Thomas Jefferson was the worst possible thing to befall the nation. Jefferson began the sleazy politiking. (And even he, despite the Jackson campaign propaganda, thought Jackson a very dangerous man, unfit to hold any office, much less the presidency.)<br /><br />Of course, another primary fallout difference was that Washington was always firmly in the camp of reconciliation and alliance with England - Britain, while Jefferson, having so very carefully cultivated and nurtured the alliances with France for so much of his life -- that's why the Louisiana Purchase fell into his lap. Literally. It was most arguably the single and only achievement of his presidency, and it happened by happenstance.<br /><br />Of course Napoleon and the French weren't going to want the Brits to have New Orleans and the Territory! Jefferson was most certainly the right man in the right place at the right time.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1680622593910991248.post-64801606973753351722010-10-12T02:52:04.791-04:002010-10-12T02:52:04.791-04:00They say all that like it's a good thing. Mayb...They say all that like it's a good thing. Maybe the Dems should recruit the guys from Animal House.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.com